Published by Suzy Soro on 20 Aug 2008 at 12:45 pm
Who’s A Dirty Girl?
I got a call from a Canadian booker I’ve worked with for years. They’re hiring for a benefit for a women’s shelter on October 9th and since there are only six female comics in Canada they asked for me and for another recommendation. As with all corporate jobs, before they ask how much money you want, or how much they’re willing to pay, they emphasize that you have to be clean. They always add in the adjective “Squeaky” which always makes me want to ask, “As in Fromme?” Which always reminds me of my big mouth and the unemployment office.
The gig pays a lot and as I sat trying to figure out how many clean female comics I knew, I came up with two and one was a guess. Much like free concert tickets on a radio giveaway, the first one to call me got the gig.
When I started doing standup I was considered a dirty comic although I didn’t think I was. Adding the F word wasn’t what I thought made a comedian dirty. There were word substitutions for body parts that I didn’t say. Comedian Angela Scott once told me that I was a dichotomy. My blond hair and little dresses made me look like the girl next door. Then I opened my mouth. The problem with being dirty is that you have a short shelf life as a comedian. As you age, which mercifully I am NOT, your options run to cruise ships, corporate jobs and special events. All clean venues. As in many jobs, there are pesky newbies working for cheap and comedy clubs use them to save money. I’ve worked for 24 years. Nowadays if comics can get 10 years of work, it’s a miracle. Life is just moving too fast although I prefer to think I’m just THAT FUNNY.
So imagine my surprise when I moved to LA and discovered other women in my sub-species. It was like finding George Clooney hiding under my covers. (Which could happen so just shut it).
The Raunchiest Women of Comedy stars four women I know. I started with Carole Montgomery in New York. Sheila Kay and I had the same agent here in LA and I knew Felicia Michaels because she and the MC of this event, Andrea Abbate, were at the LA clubs with me. I listened to their CD over the weekend and someone needs to have a wedding shower and play this for their drunken friends. The only joke I can quote here is one of Sheila’s, “Men like to do it doggy style because they need someplace to put their beer while they watch the game.” There is some very funny shit on this album.
My mother, a French woman who is all things annoying just by virtue of being French, used to howl at Sheila whenever we played the Improv. I once asked her if she didn’t think Sheila was too dirty and Mom said, “Yes, but zhat eez what makes ‘er so fun’ny.”
Ahhhhhh, zeeee French.
So tell me, does it bother you to see a dirty male or female comic?
CYA this Friday.
MereCat on 20 Aug 2008 at 1:23 pm #
Does it bother me to see a dirty comic? WTF??? Does that answer your question? Heh. No, it does not offend me to see a dirty comic at all. If it’s dirty and unfunny then it is probably offensive, but if it’s dirty and funny, it’s hilarious. Also, I think there needs to be a mix in any one program of both dirty and clean humor. Too much of either one is dull. If it were just that simple, right?
Bee on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:28 pm #
It doesn’t bother me but it makes my cheeks hurt. From laughing so much!
We once went to a comedy club and they sat us towards the front of the stage (4 hot girls)(I include myself in the hot category because I was a young nubile nymph back then) and the featured guy found his mark in… ME! I have never been sooo embarrassed but I have to admit it was hilarious! I blush easy.
Jami on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:34 pm #
Fuck no - raunchiness does NOT offend me, just like sex does not offend me … but only if it’s done well. (OK, for the sex, it has to be done well AND I also have to be a participant.) Paying or even wasting my time to see an unfunny comic - that offends me.
Traci Skene on 20 Aug 2008 at 4:19 pm #
The legendary comic Rusty Warren once gave me a great piece of “advice.” When I asked her how a female comic should handle dirty material, she said, “I blazed a trail… what the f**k is wrong with you?”
I’ve been doing a lot of country clubs the last few years so I’ve learned to work clean even though I was never really all that dirty to begin with. (Lots of innuendo… very little cursing.) But I ‘ve also noticed that what may have seemed dirty coming out of my 30-year-old mouth is now perfectly acceptable from the mouth of a 42-year-old. (OK, I’ll be 43 next week!) So, I think a lot of it has to do with age, not just gender.
Martha Jane on 20 Aug 2008 at 4:44 pm #
I was present at the taping in Las Vegas. I had been a bridesmaid at Felicia’s wedding in Hawaii and accompanied her to Vegas. Due to some fantastic booking, we got put in a two-bedroom, high-roller suite, complete with a piano. (I guess in case Wayne Newton and his accompanist dropped by, which they didn’t.) All the ladies were fantastically funny. Even better, Felicia went to the tables, won about $800 in five minutes and then I dragged her away from the tables. Gratefully, she bought me a steak, as obviously I prevented her from becoming a problem gambler.
Aloha
Sandy Williams on 20 Aug 2008 at 5:32 pm #
It’s hard to define the F bomb. Carlin has some good aspects to it, but i would say it all comes down to the fact you are a female comic, which is an extreme minority. Even in the innocent aspect, like when Klaus Pierre swears, he is so innocent and thinks its common language - I think that is the only approach for a woman to swear and not have ti looked back at, sadly - a man is a player but if its a woman, she is a whore.
Jenn @ Juggling Life on 20 Aug 2008 at 9:06 pm #
I was listening to a very funny, dirty comedian on a cruise ship with my older kids when he used the term MILF. It was not funny when my 16 year old son had to explain the term to me. Other than that, I’m fine with dirty.
Cathi on 20 Aug 2008 at 9:08 pm #
I remember Yuk Yuks in Toronto with Jim Carrey, Howie Mandel and Mike McDonald.
I also remember taking my girlfriend to Howie’s show way back, and she peed
her pants.
I wish I could remember the woman (that says enough) but sadly, I remember
thinking that whenever a woman even swore, it seemed like instantly, she
was not a good comedienne amongst the crowd.
Has it changed ? I don’t know, the last act I saw was in a Rumour’s comedy
club an it was Jon Cryer, but absoutely that is all I can tell you.
I remember hoping it would be different in the future, but I will never forget
the off balance when it came to gender - and I haven’t heard a thing
about Mark Breslin in years and years who owned Yuk Yuks.
Oh, I just remembered the Second City revues that we used to walk into
and see scores of talented improv. My goodnes I hear Ms. Barbra singing
‘Memories’ right now.
Good times, but same deal, different venue.
Interesting, I would love to hear you Suzy - from way then. Point me to that
please.
Cathi
Beckie on 21 Aug 2008 at 7:30 am #
Does it bother me?? Hell mother fuckin no!!! In fact when I saw the title on your other site I thought you were going to write about Lisa Lampanelli because I just bought a shirt off her site that says “Dirty Girl” on the front of it. (Also, she somehow KNEW my birthday and planned to be in my state the Saturday before and male counterpart has been ordered to procure tickets as soon as they go on sale. Why didn’t you know so I could see your act too?????) I think I might be the exception to the rule, but I LOVE dirty comics provided it is relevant to the routine. I don’t think anyone who comes and curses or gets raunchy just because that’s all they know how to do is funny, but in the context of telling a story/joke raunch and filth get me all a tingle.
Surcie on 21 Aug 2008 at 1:55 pm #
What’s offensive is when they’re dirty and unfunny. I thought Saget’s HBO special was dirty and unfunny. I saw Cloris Leachman on his Comedy Central roast and I think I liked her better than any of the others. Her bit was raunchy and hilarious. To me, Shelia’s beer bit would not be as funny coming from a guy. I guess I just think female comedians do dirty better.